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Darkman

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Harbor DRM Bonus for Planes
« on: August 15, 2014, 11:46:18 AM »
Mh shouldn't Submarines that moved into an Fortified Harbor not also get also a DRM Bonus?

John D.

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Re: Harbor DRM Bonus for Planes
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2014, 03:17:32 PM »
Fortified Harbors do not protect against air attacks - only naval attacks. Only sub pens protect subs in port. Not sure if I answered your question

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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2014, 08:24:20 PM »
Nah, sorry it was already late here :-)


I meant , if a submarine was able to go through an fortified Harbor ASW and attack the ships there. Aren't the ship easy targets like for the airplanes?

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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2014, 01:22:02 PM »
I totally agree.
Marcus - what do you think ?

Umm - no answer?

We had this discussion and I think you were fearful of something... :D

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Re: Harbor DRM Bonus for Planes
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2014, 02:18:17 AM »
I guess this largely makes sense - I just did not want to promote it as a common type attack as it did not happen all that much after the Royal Oak disaster at Scapa Flow - harbor defenses were much improved. 

It makes sense to give the subs a bonus to torpedo a ship at harbor - but I think we would want to take a look at fortified port ASW defenses to discourage it from being a common practice.

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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2014, 07:23:38 AM »
Yes i know what you feared Mark.

It's true that it would become a good option for submarines.
Maybe we would have to change the ASW for fortified ports to make this a rare but heroic option :-)

But on the other side i always felt when i got through the ASW, the chance to damage anything is just too low.

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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2015, 05:51:03 AM »
I guess this largely makes sense - I just did not want to promote it as a common type attack as it did not happen all that much after the Royal Oak disaster at Scapa Flow - harbor defenses were much improved. 

It makes sense to give the subs a bonus to torpedo a ship at harbor - but I think we would want to take a look at fortified port ASW defenses to discourage it from being a common practice.


One question ? Would speak something against it that instead giving submarines a +2 DRM.. giving it rather a +2 in their combat value so they can double Hit something and sink ships ?:P
Even if it is very unlikley that a single submarine Comes through port asw and rolls a 1.
 
Planes have mostly higher values and can sink ships.. the single submarine unit that is allowed to go through can't actually.

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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2015, 02:33:21 AM »
That is really interesting. My only thought is that Battle ship groups abstractly represent multiple ships in the game - right? I think a sub group represents about 30 ships...

Are we referring to a situation that involved one sub and one battleship?

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Re: Harbor DRM Bonus for Planes
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2015, 03:02:26 AM »
Yea while this Is true , the Benfit of this heroic Action Is just too small when Looking at the Risk .. The Risk should be high but you should at least have a Chance To get a Lucky Shot :-)

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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2015, 05:06:35 AM »
Understood.

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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2015, 05:29:21 AM »
I think it is brutal/rewarding enough - not sure if we want subs to be sinking full squadrons of battleships in sneak port attacks. . .We have played a couple games with this rules now and while a rare tactic, it can be very rewarding.  In the last game, a French sub snuck into Taranto harbor and sunk the only Italian transport, paralyzing North Africa operations for 3 turns.  A sneak sub attack against damaged battleships and cruisers in port being repaired can be pretty devastating too.

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Re: Harbor DRM Bonus for Planes
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2015, 07:34:50 AM »
Ok thanks for Feedback guys :)