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Mark

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Re: Draft Rules
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2011, 06:54:43 PM »
I like the idea - but just half of a nation's PP may not be the best model.  Perhaps each nation should be assigned a base level of oil points and then you get the oil-derrick points x10 on top of that (so, perhaps Germany gets 20 points of oil every turn inherently (mostly synthetic production) and then another 30 points of oil a turn once Romania joins the Axis.  You could also give them 10 points of oil from Russia a turn (until at war) to represent the oil germany received from Russia earlier in the war.

I think US oil would be unlimited. Every British convoy point would be worth a PP as well as a oil point.  The Soviets were pretty flush with oil - maybe 30 base points + the 100 they have on the map (perhaps this, like their PP needs to be reduced until at war).  Italy was very weak on oil - it helped keep their fleet in port for much of the later part of the war.

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Re: Draft Rules
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2011, 05:51:23 AM »
Ok whit you for Us unlimited and for the convoy oil for Uk and Russia, but find the historic quantity of oil all nation in the game have in 1939 whit is production and market and for Germany syntetic is a big job. Is for that reason i pick the half of the pp, is simple but not historic exact but is not complete wrong. But this weekend i search the historic prod and convert for the game.

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Re: Draft Rules
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2011, 06:07:29 AM »
I have find a little information. thanks Wiki Lol
This is just the production not market (Italy).

MaterialsCountry Coal       Iron Ore   Crude Oil
Soviet Union        590.8     71.3         110.6
United States      2,149.7  396.9       833.2
United Kingdom   1,441.2  119.2       90.8
Canada                101.9     3.6           8.4
Germany              2,420.3  240.7       33.4
Japan                   184.5     21.0         5.2
Italy                     16.9       4.4 
Hungary               6.6         14.1         3.1
Romania               1.6         10.8         25.0

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Re: Draft Rules
« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2011, 11:03:34 AM »
Another info


Oil Production In Tons Year
         Germany     USA
1939 8 million      N/A
1940 6.7 million   N/A
1941 7.3 million   N/A
1942 7.7 million   184 million
1943 8.9 million   200 million
1944 6.4 million   223 million

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Re: Draft Rules
« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2011, 12:39:18 PM »
Another text

German Fuel Situation - Pre-World War 2.   
Prior to World War 2, Germany was an energy-dependent nation.  It depended heavily on foreign fuel imports:
 
German Fuel Source               Million Barrels (Annually)

Domestic Oil Production                 &          3.8

Synthetic Fuel Production                         9.0

Import From Overseas                             28.0

Import Overland-Europe                  3.8                                         

                     Total                              44.6

 
German Fuel Stockpile Prior to World War 2.  The German stockpile of fuel consisted of only 15 million barrels. Obviously the German situation was precarious for a country about to take on half the world in World War 2.   

Germans Expanded Fuel Supply as World War 2 Approaches. The Germans realized the graveness of their fuel situation and took action. Their infamous peace treaty with Russia in 1939 yielded them 4 million barrels of fuel per year (starting in 1940) and the Russians were diligent in delivering the fuel.   Imports of oil from Romania was also drastically increased until imports reached 13 million barrels in 1941. The Germans also expanded their own small domestic production of oil  and that of Austria which had been annexed by Germany in 1938.  By 1944, the total domestic oil production had increased from 3.8 million barrels (1938) to 12 million barrels.

Additionally, about 5 million barrels of fuel were captured  during the early military campaigns of World War 2 in western Europe in 1940.

The above increases in fuel obtained from various sources helped but were still inadequate as World War 2 began to place a high demand on German fuel supplies.


Italian

1937 13 million tons 1938 14
 

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Re: Draft Rules
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2011, 06:24:00 AM »
Long ago i played a axis game with oil rules.. we didn't like it because you have to count so much on your movement.. makes no fun in my opinion  :-[

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Re: Draft Rules
« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2011, 09:53:17 AM »
In my opinion Darkman if you desire a game whit no constraint play axis and allies  you have no oil, no diversity of unit, no time for built unit, no max built of unit and much more a game for a familly is just my opinion. The second Wolrd war is the first oil war and is normal for me this fact is much better represented is this fantastic game. This treat is not marked new rules is just a new rules if the creator of this game love it but if not i a optionnal rule.

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Re: Draft Rules
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2011, 02:38:22 PM »
The final number for Oil with the number in a history game Making History the info in 1939 divide par two for your game the number of your division in your game.

France: product and business= 14 every turn and a stock for the beginning 86 in bank.

Germany: product and business= 35 every turn after poland fall +10 with Russia and a stock for the beginning 100 in bank.

Italy: Product and business= 8 every turn and a stock of 45 in bank.

Japan: product and business= 20 every turn 19 Us business... and a sock of 91 in bank.

Great-Britain: product and business= 25 every turn and a stock of 150 in bank.

United-States: product and business= 217 every turn and a stock of 712 in bank=ilimited.

Russia: product and business= 64 every turn and a stock of 200 in bank.