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March 17th at Todd's Bunker
« on: March 19, 2007, 08:59:03 AM »
Seven of us got together at Todd's place for an all day game on Saturday.  Late start due to adverse weather (got rolling around 10am) - but it did not stop anyone from playing.  The first game ended in a decisive German defeat in Autumn of 1940:  The French and the BEF managed to defeat the German invasion and the Germans sued for peace.

Decided to start a second game which got rolling at 1:30pm.  This ended up being another great classic game.  I had to leave "early" at 11PM - but I the game was not over until 4am :o 

I heard they called it an Axis victory in Spring 1944 - but I can't confirm as everyone I think is still recovering. . .

I took some pics of some of the interesting developments (but the game was not documented with pictures like the last one) - will post 'em later this week.

Mark

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Re: March 17th at Todd's Bunker
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2007, 01:50:21 AM »
Wow  :o Allies defeating the Germans in 1940... Where did they defeat them exactly? Real lucky on the dice? Or did the German command go for Plan Z and went building BB's ?  :P Probably not, you're veteran players... Viva la France  ;D

Did you use the new optional rules on Neutral support? I mean when attacking Holland, Belgium joins the Allies etc..?  And Il Duce, did nothing to help?

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Re: March 17th at Todd's Bunker
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2007, 02:20:05 AM »
Craig and Mike - a couple of friends of our from Cape Cod, played Germany on Saturday.  They are great players, but have only played the game 3-4 times and France can be a bit tricky (especially when you have John playing France).

Germany took the Maginot line (Burgundy) in the Spring and the French passed their surrender check and withdrew into Paris.  On the Summer turn, the Germans went for surrounding Paris (Which Yoper's Detroit group should have done in their last game - see pics from Detroit game #6).  They attacked Picardy and Southern France and meched into Picardy while dropping paratroopers behind Paris into Gascony.  The French would have been out of supply in Paris, unable to build or fort anyone down.

Unfortunately, the French/British got really lucky, bypassed the escorting Me109's and shot down the German paratroop plane - leaving Paris in supply and the Germans stretched way out of position.

The Italians were massed in Albania to take out Greece - so there was no Italian help to attack southern France - and they could not redeploy fast enough once things looked grim which would have helped (another lesson learned).

The French Summer counterattack blasted the Germans out of every French territory except one and they passed their surrender check again.

With the German army and airforce in shambles and the BEF reinforcing France, it looked like the Allies would be carrying the war into the Ruhr in the Autumn of 1940, so the Germans gave up.

I know the game can be harsh early on - but it makes it fun - not every game should last until 1945.
 ;D

In the second game, Craig and Mike learned their lessons and took France out in the Summer of 1940.  ;)

The guys decided not to play with the neutral alliances optional rule  :'( 

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Re: March 17th at Todd's Bunker
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2007, 03:52:55 AM »
Yes, it would have been nice to surround Paris when I went for the two side territories. 

But since I couldn't mech attack out of the terrain in the south and my paratrooper would have had to fly unescorted across the Paris AA gun and through defending fighters to get to last zone, it was a no go.

Don't think that I didn't look at encircling Paris, it just wasn't going to happen.

If my fighters had been in Burgandy, then I could have tried it.  That's on me.

Craig

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Re: March 17th at Todd's Bunker
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2007, 05:40:30 AM »
Just as a note. I did get really lucky playing France but not having any pressure from the Itailans down south made it easier to defend France. They should at least threaten Provence....

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Re: March 17th at Todd's Bunker
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2007, 01:48:19 PM »
   The second game was far from an Axis victory. The Allies had landed in France, The U.S. fleet was one move away from Tokyo and the German pocket was about to collapse in Russia! Italy was folding the next turn also due to morale problems. They were allready out of supply everywhere. Great game though! A nice time was had by all!

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Re: March 17th at Todd's Bunker
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2007, 04:38:07 PM »
I remember the game at the 06 GENCON where Germany decided they had lost too many troops early on and requested we start over. Obviously excellent ALLIED die rolls and/or poor AXIS die rolls can leave Germany in a rather delicate position. I guess I'm not the only allied player that has reached the position that TOKYO is doomed!

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Re: March 17th at Todd's Bunker
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2007, 06:10:49 AM »
I guess I spoke too soon with respect to saying who "won" last Saturday's game. . .that will teach me to listen to only the Japanese player's assessment of victory. . .

As for Tokyo and Japan - Tokyo is certainly eventually doomed - it comes down to whether the Axis can delay it long enough to win or force the Allies to overcommit to Europe to delay it.

I have seen a bunch of games where the Americans overcommit to the Pacific and are knocking on Japan's door in 1944 - only to lose the game because they did not commit enough resources to win the war in Europe fast enough.  - that's the trick -  ;)

Resource allocation and optimization makes the U.S. actually one of the tougher coutnries to play IMHO

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Re: March 17th at Todd's Bunker
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2007, 01:29:32 PM »
  I agree 110%. The United States and Great Britain are both Very hard. The British player trying to get the timing down in coordinating the U.S. & British forces to land in France and can stay and also to keep the waves coming in so the German's cant shove the whole invasion back into the sea. James had his hands full with that the last game and did make it happen. As far as the U.S., it helps to have the first big air battle in the pacific to turn the Americans way as the U.S.(10 fighters) vs. the Japs(8 fighters), the roll went That I hit 8 out of 10 dice and the Japanese player hit 2 or 3 which threw the whole Jap planning into a tailspin as he had to pull all of his fighters out of ground battles in Asia and put them immediately on his carriers! Not much choice there. The Allied effort against Italy and Germany was a success. The Americans were even building the British extra carriers and a couple of battleships. James(Britain) did a masterful job of doing what it took! A nice job of teamwork again by the Allies proper.

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Re: March 17th at Todd's Bunker
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2007, 04:31:51 AM »
I sent the following out via email after the game, but I think it merits reposting here.  The following will be one reason I'll always remember this particular game. Sigh.

dd

Great game guys - a real knockdown, drag out, stick it to the other side imbroglio! 

FWIW, I think I set a new Royal Navy accomplishment not likely to ever be equaled.  I managed to get all but one Royal Navy ship sunk, including the six new DD's I built, making for a total Royal Navy loss of 3xBB's, 3xCA's, 10xDD's against, if I remember correctly, Italian losses of 1xBB, 1xDD, and two transports (ignoring the drat French BB that deserted the Allied cause as not really an Italian loss) for a total of something like 195 British production points sunk to all of 39 Italian...

Tell why (again) I play this game...  dice!!#@?#@?#!! ;) The Kreigsmarine was still completely intact, if I remember.  At least Gibraltar was never threatened.

Fun game!

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Re: March 17th at Todd's Bunker
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2007, 08:12:06 AM »
Well you weren't the only one in which the dice gods punished. I was playing Japan - I was defending my fleet with 8 fighters against 10 US fighters. Overall not too badly outnumbered. We'll the US proximity fuses paid off. All 8 of my fighters were shot down to only 2 US fighters. I would call that a bit above average...

Oh well  :o

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Re: March 17th at Todd's Bunker
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2007, 08:28:22 AM »
You should have invested in self-sealing gas tanks  ;)

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Re: March 17th at Todd's Bunker
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2007, 04:54:09 AM »
You are right! I'll talk to Mark to see if we can make this an optional rule!  :D :P

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Re: March 17th at Todd's Bunker
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2007, 07:38:54 AM »
Well you weren't the only one in which the dice gods punished... All 8 of my fighters were shot down to only 2 US fighters. I would call that a bit above average...

Oh well  :o

That was ONE battle, and besides it was against Todd's dice.  If memory serves me, I went through FIVE straight battles in a row against the Italians, being kicked you-know-where.  :'(

Maybe you and I should find a Dice Gods temple somewhere and start making sacrifices...

dd

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Re: March 17th at Todd's Bunker
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2007, 07:52:01 AM »
Yeah,
     I would have not believed it unless I witnessed your destruction first hand.  :o

By the way - Did you notice Todd's D6 shrine hidden away in the back room of his basement? I did notice the remains of some burnt offerings... Hmmm.

John