Neutral Italy

[Darkman]

While beeing Neutral, can italian Navy / submarines move through the Gibraltar/Suez Canal ?

[John D.]

We had this discussion before. The rules don't say otherwise so technically "yes". But at the end of the non-com phase Italian ships need to be docked at Italian ports so Italian East Africa is about the furthest ships could go. Probably not a great idea anyway. Sure - Italians could declare war during the mech phase and not have that limitation - not sure I see the upside of that beyond one turn. Maybe if they are trying for some tricky Gibraltar move....

[Darkman]

Move out with all ships , declare war on another chit draw and return to an a german harbor ?

[John D.]

Sure - you are not getting back in the Med though...

[Darkman]

Ok fine ;-)

Some italian Subs also fought in the atlantic , so thats cool

[John D.]

Remember - Italian subs can run the Gibraltar gauntlet tactically during the game. They can tactically move through and expose themselves to the equivalent of a one DD Asw roll. 1 = loss, 2-3 = return and stops movement.

[Darkman]

Yeah , but The strategy would be to do it quick before italy declare war with the subs and move to german harbors

[John D.]

Remember Italian subs can attempt to move through Gibraltar after Italy declares war.

[Darkman]

Yeah i know but when you do it before , you have no Risk :-)

[John D.]

Yes sir! 

[Darkman]

@ war
Can italian Subs move through Gibraltar back to italy in the non-combat Phase without any Problems ?

[John D.]

No - they can only move tactically past Gibraltar - which is only during the regular phase.

[Darkman]

Which is bad on the newest map. they can't move back tactical. (Would need 5 spaces from bay of biscay to Western Mediterranean.

The Sea Zones around Spain\Portugal are a bit bad. They were  much better in the old map if you ask me. (4 Spaces)

I would say revert it the sea zones back to the old state ( at least around spain)