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WWII: Struggle for Europe____WWII: Struggle for Asia => First Edition Game => Rules questions from first edition => Topic started by: Bobsalt on February 12, 2008, 09:47:46 AM
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I have a few rules question about strategic movement for naval units. On page 15 the rules state, “The aircraft carrier moves before the air unit moves during the movement phase.”
Although this is listed under tactical movement, it appears that the intent of the rule is that CV’s must make their movement before aircraft - I assume this would also apply to strategic movement as well? In other words, I assume a plane could not strategically redeploy to an aircraft carrier, and then the aircraft carrier itself then also strategically redeploy (carrying the aforementioned plane).
In the above example, could a plane strategically redeploy to a carrier and then the carrier use tactical movement? Again, my assumption is that the answer is “no”, citing the rule from page 15 listed above.
Can a plane use strategic movement to redeploy to a CV, say, 8 zones away? I assume yes (subject to the limitation of no combat); that in this case a CV deck is treated the same as a land territory.
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Hi Bob - Your assumptions are correct on all counts:
Although this is listed under tactical movement, it appears that the intent of the rule is that CV’s must make their movement before aircraft - I assume this would also apply to strategic movement as well? In other words, I assume a plane could not strategically redeploy to an aircraft carrier, and then the aircraft carrier itself then also strategically redeploy (carrying the aforementioned plane).
YES - This is correct
In the above example, could a plane strategically redeploy to a carrier and then the carrier use tactical movement? Again, my assumption is that the answer is “no”, citing the rule from page 15 listed above.
NO - this would not be allowed
Can a plane use strategic movement to redeploy to a CV, say, 8 zones away? I assume yes (subject to the limitation of no combat); that in this case a CV deck is treated the same as a land territory.
YES - you will be doing a lot of this in the Pacific to replenish combat losses. Actually, what I have witnessed happen most often is that players will strategically redeploy their fighters to islands and then move them on to the empty carrier decks on the mech movement phase to replenish their battle casualties.
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RE: Control of naval areas and Soviet Naval Units?
Suppose a lone enemy transport in a space, do I get to place a control marker in the space he moment I move a surface combat unit in?
Could I invade with the transport there? If I have not eliminated it in combat?
Also, could soviet naval units move through Japanese controlled waters while the Soviet Union and Japan are not at war? Could they use Strategic movement?
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Also, could Soviet and japanese Naval units (Surface Combat, Transports) coexist in a sea area when the Soviets and japan are not at war?
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RE: Control of naval areas and Soviet Naval Units?
Suppose a lone enemy transport in a space, do I get to place a control marker in the space he moment I move a surface combat unit in?
Could I invade with the transport there? If I have not eliminated it in combat?
Also, could soviet naval units move through Japanese controlled waters while the Soviet Union and Japan are not at war? Could they use Strategic movement?
Surface ships with a combat value can only control sea zones. Yes you can just ignore transports. They do not block or control sea zones. Neutrals can co exist with other ships and move about strategically.
John :)
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OK. Thanks.
Actually P. 14 in the rules says control of a sea zone changes once you move in, but I was still unlear about the situation w/ Sov/Jap.
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The Philipines are listed as a straight under land movement, but not naval movement.
Can naval units move through the phillipines straight?
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Can they do so regardless of who controls the Philipine land territories?
Do the same rules apply to other straights that are not listed under naval movement?
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Ships may only move through straights if both land territories are owned by their side - this includes the Philippines and any other straights on the map.
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OK. It does not actually say that in the rules. Under Naval Movement certain straights are listed and the Phillipines is not one of them.
So for straights not listed in the naval rules one must control both land areas to move naval units through the straight?
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Additional question re: straights.
Can air units fly through straights?
Can carriers on one side of the phillipine straights add their air units on defense to a battle on the other side of the straights?
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Yes and yes
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OK. Thanks.
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Naval movement again.
If a naval combat between surfave ships is fought to mutual annihilation, who now controls the space? The guys who moved in, or the guys who were not moving?
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Whoever controlled it to begin with. If it was not previously controlled - then it is still not controlled...
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OK. Thanks.
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OK. I asked about Soviets and Japan, but what about Soviets and germany...
Can the Soviet navy move out of the baltic?
Can it move out of the White sea to the atlantic before dow?
Could the black sea guys enter the med?
I was going to ask about blocking Pearl Harbor, that was done for the first time in my last game, but I see a whole section on that.
SO blocking pearl harbor is allowed?
However clarify with respect to the US Fleet in HI?
IIRC there is a contradiction between rules and one of the player aids.
Also, aren't Us or allied naval units restricted from being adjacent to the blue line prior to dow?
Also, can't carries in fact launch airstrikes into adjacent spaces even when in combatin their own space, whether attacking oor defending?
IIRC in our game the japanse carriers attacked pearl and the blocking force, dividing the planes...
Also, hasn
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I'm not sure if this is written in the rules - but while neutral, we have played that ships need to end their movement adjacent to one of their owned territories. This would mean that American ships need to remain adjacent to a US controlled land territory - the same for Russian ships.
Per the straights rules - no ships can move through the Danish straights unless Denmark is neutral or controlled - so the Soviet Baltic navy could not move out unless Denmark was neutral.
No ships can move through the neutral Turkish straights per the rules - so the Russian navy in the Black Sea must remain in the Black Sea (unless they take Istanbul).
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I'll look for the below in the rules:
>I'm not sure if this is written in the rules - but while neutral, we have played that ships need to end their movement adjacent to one of their owned territories. This would mean that American ships need to remain adjacent to a US controlled land territory - the same for Russian ships.<
that would actually answer a lot of questions.
In many instances we have left Denmark neutral so that the German navy can raid on T1.
So with a neutral Denmark, the soviets could strategically redeploy their ships between the white and Black seas on T1?
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Soviet ships can't move out or into of the black sea in any manner unless they own Istanbul. While neutral, the Turks do not allow any movement through the Turkish straights.
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the soviets can not move the cruiser past the blue line, until at war with germany
ken
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[/quoteI'm not sure if this is written in the rules - but while neutral, we have played that ships need to end their movement adjacent to one of their owned territories. This would mean that American ships need to remain adjacent to a US controlled land territory - the same for Russian ships.
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if you play this way, us can not reinforce the phillipines
ken
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ignore my last post :)
ken
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Thanks.