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WWII discussion forum / Re: pacific blunder
« on: September 08, 2006, 10:55:28 PM »
I want to clarify a bit on why I think Midway was the single biggest disaster for the the axis.
Japan had it all right . They had everything they needed and forged a brilliant plan to dupe the Americans into sending their only 3 carriers into a sinister trap. It was brilliant. They set up all kinds of diversionary forces and thought up a brilliant plan, and despite the lack of leadership communication, they had it set up perfectly to anahlate the American Navy once and for all. Under the plan they had masterminded, 99 out of 100 times it would have worked and we would have complete and totally different history books for a lot of the talk about wwII would have been fighting off thousands of Japanese troops in San Francisco thereby diverting everything in the war including all lend lease to the defense of the homeland.
Unfortunately for them is that we had the biggest weapon of the entire war , and no it was not the atomic bomb, it was 24 hour round the clock code breaking research. They had about 6 or 7 people frantically working on breaking the Japanese Naval code. and even with that, although they new of an upcoming major attack, they didn't know where until there was less than a week to go before the actual attack. Our code breakers had been working almost nonstop for almost 10 days frantically doing whatever it takes to break this code. Finally 3 days before the attack they knew and forged a makeshift counterattack with what meager forces we had, and we used it to the absolute maximum ability that we could have ever dreamed of and we were able to beat them to the punch at every turn. That was the only possible way to destroy thse Jap carriers, because they had everything protecting them but they didn't have the most important thing of all, and that was the American ability to actually outsmart and beat the Japs at their own game,. Remember they thought of us as very inferior in our ability to fight even though they knew we were the arsenal of democracy, it didn't matter because they knew that almost their entire fleet was at the bottom of Pearl Harbor, in fact what we had out the there was literal hulks of wrecked and patched up battlships out there to defend something that was 10 times what they had as a healthy fleet.
The other thing that need to be mentioned is what I had stated before about the San Francicso landings. Had Japan did exactly what they did at Pearl, the unthinkable would have very much been a terrible reality. They thought we were so stupid at Pearl( and we were) that they thought that this time they would be a little more cocky and turn on the radio to communicate with each fleet as they coordinate this very complicated action. That therin lies the biggest blunder of the war because we had our people crack the Japanese naval code, and the rest, as they say is history.
I also want to say as far as blunders go, what about a blunder the americans made. I think,by far, the most brilliant american general of the war was not Mccarther(he was a cry baby and used the american people as pawns to get what he wanted), not Eisenhower( the preverbial product of the system, although he was a master at keeping morale among the troops) it was a lowly 3 star general in Patton. He had it all right. He was the one that was using Rommel like tactics blowing hole after hole through the German lines so much so that the very name put fears into all German generals and forces( they had a name for him but I don't remember what it was, but it was a name that was flattering to Patton and not to the Germans) Finally if he would have been a higher ranked general( he did get his 4th star late) we might never have to deal with any Soviet Union for he himself would have smashed them to pieces while everyone else was sitting on his hands he was still playing the general. It was very much like the same kind of thing that happenned 46 years later when we had Sadaam cornered and we had the ability to kill him, where Scwartzkoff wanted to finish him off, Bush threw the "we shall not assassanate foreign leaders" card. We all saw what happenned after that.
same thing with Patton. If only he would have gotten that 5th star he so deserved.
Japan had it all right . They had everything they needed and forged a brilliant plan to dupe the Americans into sending their only 3 carriers into a sinister trap. It was brilliant. They set up all kinds of diversionary forces and thought up a brilliant plan, and despite the lack of leadership communication, they had it set up perfectly to anahlate the American Navy once and for all. Under the plan they had masterminded, 99 out of 100 times it would have worked and we would have complete and totally different history books for a lot of the talk about wwII would have been fighting off thousands of Japanese troops in San Francisco thereby diverting everything in the war including all lend lease to the defense of the homeland.
Unfortunately for them is that we had the biggest weapon of the entire war , and no it was not the atomic bomb, it was 24 hour round the clock code breaking research. They had about 6 or 7 people frantically working on breaking the Japanese Naval code. and even with that, although they new of an upcoming major attack, they didn't know where until there was less than a week to go before the actual attack. Our code breakers had been working almost nonstop for almost 10 days frantically doing whatever it takes to break this code. Finally 3 days before the attack they knew and forged a makeshift counterattack with what meager forces we had, and we used it to the absolute maximum ability that we could have ever dreamed of and we were able to beat them to the punch at every turn. That was the only possible way to destroy thse Jap carriers, because they had everything protecting them but they didn't have the most important thing of all, and that was the American ability to actually outsmart and beat the Japs at their own game,. Remember they thought of us as very inferior in our ability to fight even though they knew we were the arsenal of democracy, it didn't matter because they knew that almost their entire fleet was at the bottom of Pearl Harbor, in fact what we had out the there was literal hulks of wrecked and patched up battlships out there to defend something that was 10 times what they had as a healthy fleet.
The other thing that need to be mentioned is what I had stated before about the San Francicso landings. Had Japan did exactly what they did at Pearl, the unthinkable would have very much been a terrible reality. They thought we were so stupid at Pearl( and we were) that they thought that this time they would be a little more cocky and turn on the radio to communicate with each fleet as they coordinate this very complicated action. That therin lies the biggest blunder of the war because we had our people crack the Japanese naval code, and the rest, as they say is history.
I also want to say as far as blunders go, what about a blunder the americans made. I think,by far, the most brilliant american general of the war was not Mccarther(he was a cry baby and used the american people as pawns to get what he wanted), not Eisenhower( the preverbial product of the system, although he was a master at keeping morale among the troops) it was a lowly 3 star general in Patton. He had it all right. He was the one that was using Rommel like tactics blowing hole after hole through the German lines so much so that the very name put fears into all German generals and forces( they had a name for him but I don't remember what it was, but it was a name that was flattering to Patton and not to the Germans) Finally if he would have been a higher ranked general( he did get his 4th star late) we might never have to deal with any Soviet Union for he himself would have smashed them to pieces while everyone else was sitting on his hands he was still playing the general. It was very much like the same kind of thing that happenned 46 years later when we had Sadaam cornered and we had the ability to kill him, where Scwartzkoff wanted to finish him off, Bush threw the "we shall not assassanate foreign leaders" card. We all saw what happenned after that.
same thing with Patton. If only he would have gotten that 5th star he so deserved.