Question Round 3

[Darkman]

Sorry for so many question..but there are still some things i don't get right.
I hope they are the last for the first game tho.

Q: "Strategic Attacks"
     Why do defending Bombers particate Strategic attacks at all?

Q: Stages of Ground Combat
    Where to begin rolling the dices.. (with the tanks or the infantry?)

Q: Transports "Unescorted transports may only move into sea zones that are controlled by the owning player" 
    Does this include allied sea zones? And what about Soviet sea zones

Q: Strategic Redeployment for Ships
    "When moving strategically , a naval unit can only move through sea zones
     that are under friendly ownership and control at the beginning of the movement phase
     
    I don't understand this at all because on page 14 sea zone controlling is
   changes instantly.

   Transports may only move into enemy controlled sea zones if accompanied by surface combat naval unit or if a surface combat unit has moved through the sea zone prior to the transport's movement during the same movement phase

So this is allowed but strategic movement not?


Q: Does AA have only 3 shots during the whole fight over 3 for every combat round?

Q:On pages 17 air defensive support is decribed , where air units can move from adjacent territories/sea zones can come for support.
But on retreating they can fly back their full range ? Not only 1 ?

Q: Defending air units on sea zones fights only have a half of their maximum range for retreating. (is this correct?)

Q: Soviet units cannot attack with Chinese units but they can occupy the same territory if Japan is invading Western China / Mongolia or Tibet?What happens if they are attacked. Do they defend together?

Q: What zones belong to western china?

Q: Can Chinese units move freely through Tibet and Mongolia from the beginning? Or only when Tibet and Mongolia are "at war"

Q: Strategic Damage on Convoys or Territories
   
 Let's say the Axis do 3 convoy damage to britain on the first turn..
     Do you reduce the Production Points from the "Start Production Value" (So Britain has 37pp on turn 1 to buy units with) or does Britain get just less production points on the end of the allied turn?
Or better say
Does strategic damage reduce the Income Track for next collect or the actual PP the player has on the hand"

Sorry for so many question

 

[Mark]

Darkman - no need to apologize with questions - I should be the one apologizing for not making the rules more clear !

Q: "Strategic Attacks"
     Why do defending Bombers particate Strategic attacks at all?

Good catch - defending bombers really can't participate in defending against strategic attacks against territories.  They could, however, help in defending Sea zones against strategic attacks if they were in an adjacent territory - as they have a combat value in attacking naval units and submarines.

Q: Stages of Ground Combat
    Where to begin rolling the dices.. (with the tanks or the infantry?)

Owning players option.  One guy in a group I play with always starts with his "4's" and works his way down.  Most start with their "1's"and work their way up - I don't think it matters.

Q: Transports "Unescorted transports may only move into sea zones that are controlled by the owning player" 
    Does this include allied sea zones? And what about Soviet sea zones

The Allies (Brits, US and France) may move transports through any of the Allied (Brit, US and France) territories and sea zones).  Germany and Italy may do the same through Italian and German territories and sea zones.  Japanese and Soviet may only move through their own territories and sea zones.

Q: Strategic Redeployment for Ships
    "When moving strategically , a naval unit can only move through sea zones
     that are under friendly ownership and control at the beginning of the movement phase

I can see how this rule can be confusing.  The short answer is Yes : Tactical movement (either 2 or 4 movement point) - by moving transports into enemy sea zones with combat ships or into sea zones that combat ships moved through on the same movement phase is allowed.  No ships may move strategically (either 8 or 10 movement points) into a sea zone that was not friendly owned at the beginning of the turn.


Q: Does AA have only 3 shots during the whole fight over 3 for every combat round?
Each AA gun gets up to 3 shots every round of combat.  note: each plane can only be shot at once per round.

Q:On pages 17 air defensive support is decribed , where air units can move from adjacent territories/sea zones can come for support. But on retreating they can fly back their full range ? Not only 1 ?

Well, the rules state they must fly back to the territory/sea zone they came from (unles they can no longer do so).  If they can't - yes, they get their full range from the battle to retreat.

OK - this is a bit of a tangent but, here is a (dangerous - though witnessed several times) combat example:  The Germans decide to invade Central Britain or Scotland and take the terrtiory.  On the mechanized phase, the Germans land some planes in the British territory they just took to help cover their fleet and the force they just landed.  On the British turn, the Brits counterattack and take the territory - since the nearest continental territory owned by the Germans is more than 2 spaces away - the German planes in the UK are eliminated instead.  Moral of the story: when conducting operation Sea Lion - usually cross-channel attempts are the better option. . .

Q: Defending air units on sea zones fights only have a half of their maximum range for retreating. (is this correct?)
No - I don't think so.  planes from carriers have a range of "1" instead of "2" if that is what you mean here.

Q: Soviet units cannot attack with Chinese units but they can occupy the same territory if Japan is invading Western China / Mongolia or Tibet?What happens if they are attacked. Do they defend together?
YES

Q: What zones belong to western china?
All of the Arid/Desert territories in China (also noted as all the territories behind (West of) the Red line in China.


Q: Can Chinese units move freely through Tibet and Mongolia from the beginning? Or only when Tibet and Mongolia are "at war"

No Chinese units can not - Tibet and Mongolia are treated as Neutrals until they are at war.

Please let me know if you need follow-up or clarification on any of these rules - I'll make some notes to clear these fuzzy areas up in the next version of the rulebook.

Thanks,
Mark

[Darkman]

You missed one Mark

Q: Strategic Damage on Convoys or Territories
   
 Let's say the Axis do 3 convoy damage to britain on the first turn..
     Do you reduce the Production Points from the "Start Production Value" (So Britain has 37pp on turn 1 to buy units with) or does Britain get just less production points on the end of the allied turn?
Or better say
Does strategic damage reduce the Income Track for next collect or the actual PP the player has on the hand"

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About the air units retreat .
Page 25
Defending air units can retreat a maximum of half their normal movement?
Is this only for carrier planes?

Thank you Mark for answering all the question. It helps alot.

But one other thing.
I have two Army and Air Battle Charts but only one Naval and Strategic Naval Warfare Chart. Just wondered is this normal?

It's np will try to print them if not. Just asking

Thank you
Dominik

[John D.]

Hello Dominik,
    Strategic damage come out of cash on hand - in other words - immediately.

As far as retreating air units go - they can only retreat half of their tactical movement:

3 for bombers
1 for carrier planes
2 for everything else

If there are no friendly areas within range to retreat to - the units are lost.

Also we ship 2 of each Land and Air boards because these are used most frequently.

By the way - if you ever need replacements - we do that for free (just pay postage).

Thanks-John

[Darkman]

Thanks John,


New Question

Q: Is Tobruk under italian control from the beginning?

Q: Some things i dont like in the manual is that special information about some  type of units are very well hidden.

Example:  Cruisers . can defend against subs but not attack subs
                while in the naval combat decription there is no word about that.
Only  that battleships can't damage subs.

Q: What types of units can a) Attack subs and b) defend against subs at all?

Can Carrier attack / defend against subs?  Can Aircraft do damage on Subs .. and so on.

Thanks alot
Dominik

[John D.]

Hello Domink,
    Yes - Tobruk is Italian. I will add this terretory to the Italian set up charts just to clarify this.

The ASW (Anti Sub Warfare) Chart summarizes what can defend/attack subs - all in one spot. Check it out and let us know if it is clear to you.

Keep the questions coming!

Thanks-John

[Darkman]

After looking at the strategic naval warfare chart i'm sorry.. i have no clue how strategic combat works with mixed groups of naval ships (subs and other surface units that attack convoys)

It is only said that defending ships can hit with normal combat values if surface naval units attack.

The rules give no rolling example for mixed groups.
I don't even know how to set up the units when mixed groups attack/defend, because it seems the values on the strategic board are only printed for subs only attacks? Or do i think wrong?

There is also no example which ships actual can hit subs on normal naval combat chart.

I hope you can provide me some detailed rolling examples for both please.


Another thing.
Maybe it's because of gameplay but shouldn't the italian transports be able to ignore the blue line in mediterran. Because i somehow doubt they wouldn't be able to redeploy their troops in ethopia while beeing neutral. But that is just a suggestion

Thanks Dominik

[Mark]

Hi Darkman,

The mixed naval battle situation arises rarely in a game - but this is how it would be resolved:
If you are conducting naval combat as well as strategic combat in the same sea zone, then divide your attacking forces into two groups - those making strategic attacks and those conducting normal surface combat.  The defender then does the same - dividing the defending forces into those defending against naval combat and those defending against strategic warfare.

Then resolve the strategic battle first.  Subs, battleships and cruisers inflict 1d6 of economic damage and destroyers inflict 1d3 (these value are printed on the strategic warfare battleboard).

After the attacker has inflicted economic damage, the defender then rolls his defense.  destroyers defend on a 2.  The confusing item is that other defending ships either use their normal naval combat defense number when defending against surface ships - or they use their submarine strategic combat defense number if defendign against submarines - the owning player decides which role his ships are playing. Battleships are the only naval unit that cannot defend against subs - so the choice with battleships is clear - it is a 4 or less against surface ships. cruisers defend using their naval combat value (against surface ships) of a 3 or less or  1 Against submarines.

Like all strategic warfare, only one round of combat occurrs.

After the strategic battle, resolve the surface battle normally.

I know the strategic situation sounds complicated, and it is a rare occurance, but that is essentially how it is resolved.  Please let me know if that explains the process - I will try to write in a couple of specific examples of how this would be resolved.

Thanks,
Mark

[Yoper]

Hello Domink,
    Yes - Tobruk is Italian. I will add this territory to the Italian set up charts just to clarify this.

I have slowly been doing a set of charts that have all the territories a country owns  listed on them.  This is because I am listing the PP values and the VP values of all of the territories.

There are many instances of a territory that has a VP in it that actually doesn't have an unit in it.

Having the VP and PP info on a readily available chart for counting and reference purposes will be nice.  It sure is a pain in the ass to have someone screw up their move and then try to figure out the placement and the amount of units they had.  Especially when the set up chart is on the underside of the Production Chart.

Craig

[Darkman]

Thats a cool thing Yoper. 
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Okay Mark / John

i will do some examples and you say me how they work please


Example:

Lets say a german submarine and a battleship attacking a convoy zone and both decide to do strategic combat. Britain has a cruiser and a Sub for defense.

I place both german units on the strategic combat chart and they do strategic damage. Then the britain cruiser rolls a 3 and the sub a 2.

Q1:Since both a surface ship and a submarine attack what values do i use for the cruiser (3) or (1)?

Q2: Do Subs also have suprise attacks on the strategic combat chart?

Q3: How does Naval combat works with Submarines on the Naval combat chart.
       Lets say the defender has a sub and the attacker has a cruiser and destroyer.
       
      Can the attacking cruiser hit the submarine on the normal naval combat chart? Or can only destroyer / air
      units / defending cruiser / subs hit the defending submarine on both charts.

Thanks
Dominik

[Mark]

Hi Darkman -

I place both german units on the strategic combat chart and they do strategic damage. Then the britain cruiser rolls a 3 and the sub a 2.

Q1:Since both a surface ship and a submarine attack what values do i use for the cruiser (3) or (1)?

Before placing the Brit cruiser on the combat chart, the British player decides whether he wants it engaged in surface combat or in ASW.  If surface combat is chosen, it defends as a "3" and hits must be taken on surface combat unit (the Battleship in this example).  If ASW, it defends as a "1" and hits must be taken off of submarines.

Q2: Do Subs also have suprise attacks on the strategic combat chart?

Well - kind of.  Strategic attacks (d6 damage against convoys) are resolved first - so everything rolls their convoy damage first before the defender fires back.

Q3: How does Naval combat works with Submarines on the Naval combat chart.
       Lets say the defender has a sub and the attacker has a cruiser and destroyer.

The owner of the sub declares whether the sub is engaged in ASW or not.  If engaged in ASW, the attacker would have to use his ASW attack value (a "1" for cruisers).  The only time the owner of the sub would not declare his sub is engaged in ASW warfare is if he wanted it to defend with other surface ships in the same space (If the rest of the Kriegsmarine were in the same sea zone as the sub, the German player may want to use the subs in the naval battle - if they were engaged in ASW they would not be a part of the naval battle).

I hope you guys have fun tomorrow.

Thanks,
Mark