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Title: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on February 28, 2007, 07:17:23 AM
Herewith some pictures of our first game. The Germans started with invading all 3 territories of Poland and Denmark, Also making attacks on Allied Merchant shipping
Axis Autumn 39
(http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/3994/hpim0480jp5.jpg)
(http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/2809/hpim0483sb5.jpg)
(http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5416/hpim0484ca3.jpg)

Allies Autumn 39
(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1001/hpim0486qo8.jpg)
(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1184/hpim0487gr5.jpg)
No action in the Pacific and not much in Europe either, well the Royal Navy and a French Cruiser tried to sink a U-boat, but took a hit on the French Cruiser.. and the U-boat survived. And Russia invaded Poland and Vyborg and the other possible territories. (not on pic i see)


Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on February 28, 2007, 07:29:16 AM
Axis Winter 39/40
(http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8388/hpim0503qc2.jpg)
(http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8899/hpim0502wq9.jpg)

Allied Winter 39/40
(http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/2096/hpim0506au2.jpg)
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on February 28, 2007, 07:35:11 AM
The Germans invaded Holland  >:(  ;)  and started to build up against France. France received some RAF help and some ARM. Italy is looking to its Eastern neighbour... Still just looking ...  though  ;)
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on February 28, 2007, 07:42:14 AM
Axis Spring 1940
(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7398/hpim0510oj9.jpg)
(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6677/hpim0511ns7.jpg)

Allies Spring 1940
(http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/9494/hpim0512ek7.jpg)
(http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/5489/hpim0513gq0.jpg)
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on February 28, 2007, 07:49:26 AM
The first Happy Time for the European Axis  :D They Invaded France (Burgandy) and Blitz to Paris!!  Il Duce was also verry happy with this news, because first of all no Italian Troops had been needed, and he was rewarded with a France Battleship. The Royal Navy though scuttled the rest of the French fleet, but saved a Cruiser for themselves.

In the North Atlantic the U-boats did serious damage, and Japan took control of the coastline.

The British then tried to take controll of the convoy zones, and started to send troops out in the pacific to build up forces on the victory point islands.


Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on February 28, 2007, 08:48:32 AM
Axis Summer 1940
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Allied Summer 1940
(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7678/hpim0519fj6.jpg)
(http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/5483/hpim0525dv7.jpg)
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on February 28, 2007, 08:52:14 AM
The Germans took Oslo, and Il Duce stepped into the war. Taking Yugoslavia.. (we forgot here that mech attack wasn't approved in forest terrain...) and attacking UK convoy's

The British attacked Italian convoy and starts to reinforce Cairo.
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on February 28, 2007, 08:58:02 AM
Axis Autumn 1940

(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9515/hpim0526wj1.jpg)
(http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/1394/hpim0529fi4.jpg)

Allies Autumn 1940

(http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/7923/hpim0532yq0.jpg)
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on February 28, 2007, 09:01:40 AM
The Germans took Narvik and got Sweden into the War :)  The Italians invaded Greece.

The Allies didn't do that much...
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on February 28, 2007, 09:39:21 AM
Axis Winter 1940

(http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/7585/hpim0534vx5.jpg)

Allies Winter 1940
(http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/5115/hpim0537uw9.jpg)
(http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/9494/hpim0539as4.jpg)
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on February 28, 2007, 09:42:00 AM
The Axis went on with attacking Merchant shipping, and the Italians took Crete, with some help of the Germans.
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on February 28, 2007, 09:50:28 AM
Axis Spring 1941
(http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4661/hpim0540gv0.jpg)
(http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/6092/hpim0542oc5.jpg)
(http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/1414/hpim0543ka4.jpg)
(http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7611/hpim0544oy5.jpg)
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Mark on February 28, 2007, 11:30:22 AM
Micoom,

This looks like a great game!  I hope you guys play it out - are you having fun with it?   ;D

That was pretty gutsy, skipping Belgium and attacking over the Maginot line - did your paratrooper hit on the first round and negate the river attack penalty?

Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: John D. on February 28, 2007, 01:29:39 PM
Hello Micoom,
      Everything looks great. Looks like a good game! Nice to have "talked" the Swedes into joining. Looks like the allies are doing pretty well with damage control (so far)...

John
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on February 28, 2007, 07:56:46 PM
Yes, those Para's made the hit  :) The RAF tried to get the Para's out of the air, but missed terrible, the French airforce was busy with the luftwaffe, and the AA guns also missed out.. And before the French knew what was going on, the Germans already stood in Paris..

The Sweden trigger was nice, because you get free manpower on the Northern Front against Russia.. Almost the whole Italian fleet is damaged, that is going to be allot of money to repair for them. The Brits still have their home fleet intact..
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Uncle Joe on March 01, 2007, 09:03:10 AM
This looks like a very good close game so far - no one has gotten a huge advantage over anyone else yet. 

Please keep us posted on your progress. . . I can't take it  :'(, when is Origins  ;D?
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on March 01, 2007, 10:12:40 AM
Allies Spring 1941
(http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/3050/hpim0545ge4.jpg)

(http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/5008/hpim0547zy9.jpg)

(http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/8340/hpim0549jz2.jpg)
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on March 01, 2007, 10:20:42 AM
This is how it stands now. Good to hear it looks balanced... on first time playing..  The Russian front build up, on both sides is difficult and will take allot of practice I think.  ;)
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Mark on March 01, 2007, 02:19:18 PM
Your Germans built two factories early on, huh?  That's also a gutsy move and will make them a lot tougher as the game plays out.

As the Allies, if I see the Germans building factories, I'm putting every available unit and plane I can get my hands on into France - sometimes the Germans can be stopped if they don't optimize their build to take France out early.

I've seen the Brits air transport their infantry into France with their Bomber and back up the French with all of their planes (including their carroer planes) - if the Brits want to - and then start forting British units down in France the following turn.  They can make France a really tough nut to crack - especially if the Germans don't bother to build much extra support to knock France out.

 ;) maybe a tip for the next game. . .
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on March 02, 2007, 02:25:33 PM
Thanks for the tip  ;)
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on March 02, 2007, 02:30:01 PM
Axis Summer 1941

(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3983/hpim0553ao1.jpg)

(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8854/hpim0554fe5.jpg)

(http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/1312/hpim0551em0.jpg)
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on March 02, 2007, 02:31:36 PM
Barbarossa Started.. and moves have been made on Cyprus and Egypt..
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on March 02, 2007, 02:35:00 PM
Allies Summer 1941

(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1296/hpim0556vh4.jpg)

(http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/6499/hpim0557kk6.jpg)

(http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/9114/hpim0558en7.jpg)
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Basiror on March 02, 2007, 08:59:17 PM
I see 4 bombers on axis side, i would use them to transport infantry to the eastern front or bombard strategically the southern russion provinces, those with 2-3 PPs 

with 4 bombers you could reduce the reinforcements of the SU by 4 infantry each round, invading the turkey would even allow you to do some landing operations in the caucasus in the following turn thus force the SU to put garrisions far behind the front,

so they automatically lose the PPs from the grim up to moscow,

use your luftwaffe fighters to shoot down the SU airforce,  at moment your airforce is to far behind, you can station it right behind the front line in the mech phase which allows you to use it as addition backup on counterattacks

Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on March 02, 2007, 10:07:03 PM
Thanks.  Will look what to use of your thoughts. Because actually, i'm using my luftwaffe as defence of the Reich at the moment, and the bombers of them, will have a paradrop mission soon. But there are 6 of them (4GER 2IT) so some could fight on the eastern front. I will first try to get the triggers of Turkey, if not succesfull but do manage to get Cairo, then we probably will just invade Turkey yes..
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Basiror on March 02, 2007, 10:24:34 PM
landing in the back of the russian front you can easily isolate the caucasus from the rest, infantry without supply can t attack you anyways so they are no threat to the middle east, just make sure you got enough transports for some armored vehicles ore paradrop into  the provinces near the caspian sea  :)
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: John D. on March 03, 2007, 01:55:24 AM
The Brits look like they are putting some early effort in the Pacific. I see alot of forts...
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on March 03, 2007, 01:17:11 PM
Axis Autumn 1941

(http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/351/hpim0561zm1.jpg)

(http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/9886/hpim0560se4.jpg)

(http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8136/hpim0562cc2.jpg)
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on March 03, 2007, 01:19:33 PM
Germany cuts Kiev out of Supply, but get beaten at Leningrad. Italians Take Sinai and Palestine.
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on March 03, 2007, 01:22:44 PM
No pics somehow of Allies Autumn 41 and Axis Winter 41/42

Allies Winter 41/42

(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2695/hpim0563iu9.jpg)

(http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5240/hpim0564tn1.jpg)

(http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8650/hpim0566hx7.jpg)
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on March 03, 2007, 01:24:08 PM
Russians try to form a line of defence at Kharkov and in front of Moscow..
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on March 03, 2007, 01:43:31 PM
Axis Spring 1942

(http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/7654/hpim0567ho0.jpg)

(http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/8408/hpim0568ox7.jpg)

(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4385/hpim0569uu9.jpg)

(http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/9194/hpim0570ep5.jpg)

(http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/6341/hpim0571tn4.jpg)

(http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/6650/hpim0572wg7.jpg)
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on March 03, 2007, 01:47:03 PM
Things look very good for the Axis I think.. Turkey joined them, and Kiev and Kharkov are in German hands. Japan joined the War and the Axis have 37 VP's at the moment..
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: John D. on March 04, 2007, 03:08:23 AM
Looks like the game is tilted a bit toward the Axis. Vichy Madagascar should be in supply as you can trace supply through friendly Axis owned sea zones. I also noticed that British held Cairo was marked out of supply but I am not sure how that was done. Did you block off sea zones around Africa and India with Axis ships?  :o

Good luck!  ;)

John
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on March 04, 2007, 05:41:45 AM
Yes, only the Red Sea was in British hands, but the surrounding spacea all Axis. And on Land Sinai and Palastine also. The Sea zones arround South Africa are also in Axis hands.. So therefore Cairo was out of Supply and also the reason it fell..  After making the pic we noticed that Vichy Madagascar should be in Supply.

It all depends now on how Russia is going to hold on to there VP's. And how fast the US can put presure on the Germans, while not forgeting the Japanese..
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Mark on March 05, 2007, 03:47:03 AM
To me, this game still looks winable by either side.

Brits probably should not have let the German navy be able to slip into the South Atlantic and probably should not have withdrawn the damaged Mediterannean fleet until they "swapped it out" with ships from the Atlantic, but live and learn. . .

The Russian front looks ok for the Russian's - a little threatened (but it should be in Spring 1942) Please note that the space behind Stalingrad (Astrakhan) is just as important strategically as Stalingrad itself - don't let your army get surrounded at Stalingrad either!

Build forts in Calcutta and get US and British ships committed to the Indian Ocean and the South Pacific and fight for everything.  The allies can replace their losses - the Axis can not!

Good luck! 
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Uncle Joe on March 05, 2007, 04:29:13 AM
Have the Soviet's already played their Spring 1942 turn yet?
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on March 05, 2007, 07:53:38 AM
No they had not. But now they have. Pics will follow..
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Uncle Joe on March 05, 2007, 08:17:57 AM
OK - if they have already played their turn, then it's OK for me to observe the huge opportunity the Russians had to strike South out of Smolensk and blitz-move into Kharkov - wouldn't that have encircled all of the German units pushing on toward Stalingrad?  Did they see it?

I guess we'll find out   :o

Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: John D. on March 05, 2007, 08:58:48 AM
I like those sneaky moves  8)

John
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on March 05, 2007, 08:59:00 AM
Allies Spring 1942

(http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/6176/hpim0573zt1.jpg)

(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/2078/hpim0574fa0.jpg)

(http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/4254/hpim0575ik8.jpg)

(http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/1165/hpim0576id6.jpg)

(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1314/hpim0577xf9.jpg)
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on March 05, 2007, 09:07:40 AM
Hah, no they didn't see it  :o They went for attacking the INF stack at Minsk, hoping it could not be redeployed later on the Mech army that is pushing for Stanlingrad, This wasn't a succes. The Germans retreated after one round and broke out the other side, one step closer to Kharkov.
On sea the Brits did sunk a U-boat, and the US navy sunk a Japanese SS.  Also four Australian infantry divisions had been send to Calcutta  (that lonely bunker at Karachi, is not in the game btw..) and the Dutch Destroyer out to protect the convoy route.
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: John D. on March 05, 2007, 09:40:10 AM
So far still looks like a good game. The Crimea looks like it is still in supply.

Looking forward to the rest of the game!

John
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on March 05, 2007, 09:46:33 AM
Y're right! I will have it adjusted, the Crimea is still in supply indeed.
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on March 08, 2007, 07:14:00 AM
Axis Summer 1942

(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5817/hpim0578hy8.jpg)

(http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/3425/hpim0579gx5.jpg)

(http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/1974/hpim0580bt0.jpg)

(http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/7073/hpim0581dz5.jpg)

(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/9809/hpim0582dt4.jpg)
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on March 08, 2007, 07:51:30 AM
The Axis are on 41 VP's and allot more in reach.. Baku of 2vp's is out of supply and no troops..There is no way the Allies can hold the Axis below 42 VP's in the Next turn.. So we end it in an Axis victory.  Germany and Italy did very well imo. The Allies never put any presure on Italy this game..

Playing on for the Allies isn't worth it right?
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: John D. on March 08, 2007, 08:23:51 AM
Actually Baku and the Crimea look like they should still be in supply. Remember, to check for supply, a territory must be able to trace supply (over land and/or water) to 2 friendly production centers. Remember since a production center can trace supply to itself, it just needs to trace supply to one other production center. Also - Russia can trace supply over the Caspian Sea. I am not sure if the game is over yet - Russia can build in Baku....  8)

Later  ;D

Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on March 08, 2007, 08:43:52 AM
Ahh, I forgot, that you can trace supply to itself as one of the two... Ok, we will have a look at it... IT will still be very difficult, because also Moscow and in lesser amount Lennigrad are under real pressure to be invaded. And also the Urals are in reach... (though no vp there, but all Russia's factories) Also Mosul will fall to Turkish and Italian attacks.
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Mark on March 08, 2007, 09:05:22 AM
Yup - Baku is hard to put out of supply because the Russians can trace supply accross the Caspian to Turkmenistan and beyond too.

The Russians are in trouble (have the Western Allies been sending Lend Lease to them?) but they may be able to hold Baku, Moscow, Leningrad and the Urals.  It looks like they lost a lot of their good stuff the last couple turns in unsuccessful counterattacks which is too bad.

At this point it is probably going to go Axis - things that the Allies can do though is to 1) Take Norway; 2) Move most of the US fleet off the Gilbert islands and threaten a few Japanese victory points 3) Get the British and the US into the Western Med as fast as possible and start threatening Italian and North African VPs. 

But the Axis at 41 VPs means you don't have a lot of time to maneuver into these positions - so it may be tough. . .

Mark
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Micoom on March 08, 2007, 09:15:49 AM
Yes, Just looked at the map, and maybe with some luck the Russians can hold on their VP's for one turn. Which I really doubt however. But the British can't Hold on to Mosul. And the Allies can't hold on to Oslo (if they even succeed in taking it) It is really a lost cause for the Allies.

Lend Lease was only via the Vladivostok route the last turns. So not that much.. Russia lost it's Armor to easy.  And the UK should have used it's Royal Navy better early on.

Must learn from the mistakes..  Allies would had a chance, if they had put the Germans at Stalingrad out of Supply in Spring..
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: Mark on March 08, 2007, 11:09:14 AM
I gotta say, I think both sides did a great job at playing the game - especially since this is your first time playing it - usually the learning curve is a bit more challenging.
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: John D. on March 08, 2007, 02:30:22 PM
Yeah - I'll back Mark up on that. Exceptional first game.

John
Title: Re: the first Holland game...
Post by: derdiktator on April 23, 2007, 05:26:14 AM
I quite agree - a MOST impressive performance on BOTH sides for a first game.  The Allies clearly had a bit of a learning experience, but they do tend to be more difficult to master, given their need to play properly for the long-term. Of course, I have never seen the Axis suffer when both Sweden and Turkey trigger...  poor Russian player - my sincerest sympathy!

dd